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Post by drdre on Aug 11, 2018 3:41:12 GMT
So I think after that, Sheep definitely scans Red, right?
Anyway, Keep in mind, we’re on Night 3, if we block anybody we don’t kill, I die.
...and I’d rather we win through another method than “Wait it out to final 3 and win because Town assumes Lawyer is banned”.
I think this night will decide how the rest of the game goes
Persons of Interest: Sheep - Cop Panth - Mason Eaed - Jailkeeper Sultan - Bodyguard
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 5:00:21 GMT
I think dumey and i are prime jailkeeper targets.
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Post by dumey on Aug 11, 2018 6:33:35 GMT
I think the decision to make is whether or not to roleblock Sheep. There are some hard questions if we claim Tony is blocked but Sheep isn't.
Do you think Eaed goes for the roleblock on us instead of protecting claimed scanner? Can we afford to shoot at someone without roleblocking Eaed?
I'm thinking something along the lines of
FD Shoots Eaed. FD Roleblocks Sheep. Dumey Roleblocks Sultan. Tony Watches Dumey.
The main issue with this is finding out how to logically claim what Tony watched for town. Can't claim he watched Sheep without seeing FD. Can't claim he watched Eaed without seeing roleblocker (me or FD). So who does he claim he watched? One solution for this is taking a shot somewhere other than Eaed and just letting him sit around. Then Tony can claim he watched Eaed expecting scum to clean up the protection.
I'm not really sure what info we have to get from Watcher again. Seeing the scanning role on me may be useful (more useful than seeing Red get a false positive), but may not need to look for additional power roles. This kills protection, and gives us a chance one more chance to lynch Sultan if Panthera dies to masoning Tony or FD. At this point we kill the scanning roles and confirmed town while trying to keep Tony in good graces. It is likely Red or me dies in the next two days.
If Panth takes a chance on masoning Sheep or something, we could be in trouble. But I don't see us wasting any resources on him when he could potentially suicide.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 7:03:32 GMT
I still think Scare might be tracker or something like that.
That's the only way I can come to grips with his mention of bus driver or re-director earlier. I think he saw the effects of a N1 Plum action through whatever his result was.
And we don't want to RB Eaed then? I mean I should still be safe to kill him and I still think Sheep might go with a red scan just to settle the debate tomorrow.
Because if you think about it town is expecting... "something" to happen with panth actions tonight. Most of them seem to be expecting something that will incriminate panth and so red seems like a good scan option so he could stop the day from being fractured between panth and red.
At least that's how it seems to me.
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 7:29:10 GMT
i think he scans dumey with the plan to lynch me.
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Post by dumey on Aug 11, 2018 7:39:39 GMT
Yeah, even if they do have a tracker, do you think they follow FD tonight? Definitely think you're the best option for sending in the kill at the moment. Least chance of getting blocked or tracked.
If we aren't killing Eaed, then we may consider blocking him to try and guarantee at least A night kill happens, whether it's on our target or blocked by Sultan.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 8:25:44 GMT
Yes its possible that sheep scans someone guilty.
But do we win a murder by numbers game from here on out?
Im not convinced it isn't worth the risk for a scan on red.
How many targets does sheep realistically have left?
I also don't think dumey is a good watch target for Tony. Who is Tony expecting to target dumey tonight? Scum? That doesn't seem consistent. Tony should be looking for people to target town. It needs to be a "strong" town that we aren't killing or blocking.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 9:16:58 GMT
So I asked chris for some clarification on how multiple roleblockings would get resolved.
I dunno when he'll get back to me so I asked him to post his reply in this thread.
I just wanted to know so if we do end up blocking Eaed we know which blocker to use to be the most beneficial.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 9:21:46 GMT
Also if we want to give Tony the best possible chance to still be "confirmed town watcher" I have a bold strategy that I think would do exactly that.
Block the cop. Block the JK. Shoot the bodyguard. Tony gets a watch action off (on...someone?)
This should sell the idea that Sultan saved Tony's life. It is consistent with the idea that scum wouldn't block tony on the same night they were going to kill him. Especially if scum was assuming the bodyguard would be on the "confirmed" JK.
I'm not sure if this is the best strategy for our overall win% as a team, but I feel like this sells Tony as town the best. Because why would scum set up this scenario and intentionally shoot the person who seemed like the scum doctor the day before??
The downside of course is that then we lose Sultan as a viable mislynch target. And we probably just default to red being the lynch target again. ALSO we would need to ask what would happen in this scenario if the bodyguard targets the jack who mason targets scum. Would the bodyguard protect the jack from mason related death? And as well as double roleblock going out we would potentially have to sell that scum had an extra kill to use on panth. Or just the notion that panth derped and decided to mason someone who wasn't a confirmed town like tony and myself. .
So yeah I have doubts about it's overall viability but I think it puts Tony in a pretty god spot.
Edit: Tony could even then trade his status with a fake scan to trade for a town power. It would be a kamikaze action, but a damning scan from the watcher on a night that we set up to look like the BG took a bullet for him? It would carry a lot of weight.
Currently we stand at 4 vs 13 After tonight we should be at 4 vs 11 if Panth suicides as we are expecting him to.
If we make Tony look confirmed and then he goes with a suicide scan we get a mislynch to 4 vs 10. And then 4 vs 9 after we kill either the JK or the Cop that night. (probably RB the JK and kill the cop?)
Then Tony gets lynched for the suicide play to 3 vs 9. Then we night kill either the JK or the cop after that. to 3 vs 8.
I'm not sure where we find mislynches at that point though. But that would leave us with Me + Red + Dumey against Zach Mzero Puns Tange Han Crescent Scare Death
We'd need to find 3 mislynches while killing off the 2 people who were cop scanned.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 9:35:30 GMT
But I'm going to bed now, so mull it over!
I'm definitely fine with going with "standard" actions as well, we just need to pin down what that will be. It's clearly double block tonight, the questions are just on who.
Personally I favor taking a risk and leaving the cop unblocked. Call it a hail mary to get the red innocent scan.
But if we ARENT going to do that then i favor more or less what dumey said above.
Block cop and bodyguard shoot jailkeeper watch someone (not dumey. someone more clearly town who might potentially be the target of an action. Maybe panth?)
Could still sell that as scum letting the watch go through because they had a ninja available (a ninja that had a vig shot they used on panth which slipped through the watcher's action?)
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 10:15:13 GMT
alternative, block bodyguard, block jailkeeper, shoot jailkeeper.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2018 13:56:52 GMT
Roleblocks resolve at the same time. So if two blockers block each other both will be told they are roleblocked.
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Post by drdre on Aug 11, 2018 15:39:01 GMT
A suicide play that ends up with me lynched at 3 v 9 does not seem like the move, because it relies on Town not lynching Dumey and Red, who are still very much at risk.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 17:46:01 GMT
Roleblocks resolve at the same time. So if two blockers block each other both will be told they are roleblocked. So you are saying the JK action is going off no matter what.
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 17:57:15 GMT
No.
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