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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 18:37:17 GMT
Jk being roleblocked stops a kill only if the kill is sent from the target of the jk and that target is also the person rbing the jk.
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dumey
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Post by dumey on Aug 11, 2018 19:07:18 GMT
I'm just not sure what we're hoping to gain by watching a random town target. What power out there are we still fishing for? If they do have a tracker, don't you think that's more likely to land on me or Red tonight than a random player? Though come to think of it, Panthera is a good tracker choice. Tracker can verify who they tried to mason. I think I'm okay with watching Panthera instead, but Red and I are also valuable targets for that.
I kind of like your kill Sultan plan, but if Panthera dies at night, it almost GUARANTEES that Red is lynched to resolve the last day. It does set up Tony and FD to carry the end game a bit more, but I'm just not sure wasting a shot on such a viable mislynch is worth the subterfuge at the moment. After sleeping on it, I think getting Eaed out of the way is the best way to ensure future night actions are easier to make.
Red, if we're going to shoot the jailkeeper with FD, and roleblock Sultan with FD, and you don't seem to care about about Sheep scanning, why bother with roleblocking Eaed? I just feel like in the situation where we kill Eaed, there's no reason to also roleblock him here. If you really want to take the chance with Sheep scanning you over me, then we could move our roleblock elsewhere, but I'm not seeing why we have to keep it on Jailkeeper.
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 19:11:43 GMT
If you want the chaos of 3 claimed roleblocks introduced.
I just don't know of a good way to argue out of that one.
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 19:14:43 GMT
If you want chaos, block the bg, block the cop or panth, and kill eaed.
But i think there is a decent chance eaed targets dumey if he doesn't target me. If he tsrgets dumey that roleblock doesn't happen.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 19:31:37 GMT
Jk being roleblocked stops a kill only if the kill is sent from the target of the jk and that target is also the person rbing the jk. That is why I wanted answers to both scenarios :/ If Roleblocker 1 blocks the JK And the JK blocks roleblocker 2 If in that scenario we are to believe that the JK's block goes off. Then roleblocker 2's block should ALSO go off. I didn't just want an answer for if a RBer and JK target each other :/
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 19:38:43 GMT
Jailkeeper should just be roleblocked in that scenario, no roleblock sent out since the rber on the jk is unimpeded.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 19:41:24 GMT
I'm just not sure what we're hoping to gain by watching a random town target. What power out there are we still fishing for? If they do have a tracker, don't you think that's more likely to land on me or Red tonight than a random player? Though come to think of it, Panthera is a good tracker choice. Tracker can verify who they tried to mason. I think I'm okay with watching Panthera instead, but Red and I are also valuable targets for that. It would be nice for us to know if red was targeted, yes. It would give us some notice and confirmation that he was sheep scanned. (if we are letting the cop scan through) BUT would Town Watcher Tony™ think that red was a good watch target? He is a great watch target for Scum Watcher Tony®, but if Tony has to claim his watch on red then things could get weird. Whereas Panth is a good watcher target for town. Because town is expecting scum to try some subterfuge with Panth. It's a much better look for Tony. He can't just say "oh uhh I watched red an no one targetted him. tbh I thought i was just gonna be blocked or killed so I didn't choose a good night action".
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 19:44:10 GMT
Anything but a watch on the jk would be seen as a horrific play from tony.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 19:51:37 GMT
Jailkeeper should just be roleblocked in that scenario, no roleblock sent out since the rber on the jk is unimpeded. That would have been my assumption, but I asked for clarification to be safe. And the clarification is back with confirmation. . . The bottom line here is we generally agree what Eaed is in the most need of dying today. So that assuredly has to happen. And I'm least likely to be tracked so I do the deed. . Option 1) If we want to stop Eaed's roleblock from hitting someone random, then I should also be the one to block him, because he would not be targeting me. And then we can use Dumey's block on Sultan to make sure Eaed is not saved. Option 2) If we are OKAY with Eaed's hitting someone random, then nobody blocks him. I would then block Sultan (to make sure eaed is not saved) and then... Option 2a) Dumey can block Sheep to prevent a scan or... Option 2b) Dumey can block Panth to put us in a position where the lynch might default to Panth vs Sultan who will both be alive and both be claiming blocked. This removes the chance that panth suicides though. If we are NOT blocking panth then panth is the correct watch target. If we ARE blocking panth then I'm not sure who Town Watcher Tony™ has a good watch on. . . So if we want to play it safe then I think 2a is the only choice. Otherwise we roll the dice with 2b which should force a Panth vs Sultan day and has the potential upshot of an innocent scanned red.
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Post by dumey on Aug 11, 2018 20:19:52 GMT
If our goal is to kill Eaed, then FD's roleblock should definitely go to Sultan. I have a much higher chance than you of getting hit by the jailkeeper.
Honestly at this point I think we need to try and rely on Panthera suiciding. It's just that it makes the second roleblock target difficult.
I guess I could just roleblock Eaed like Red said, even though it's effectively another no roleblock. Has a scum team ever had such a useless Roleblocker during night actions before? This will make three nights of me not really utilizing my role. But then there's the out for Tony saying no one visited Sheep.
Is there a situation where we roleblock Sultan, roleblock Sheep, Kill Eaed, leave Panthera alone (other than a possible watch), and have a good watcher claim for Tony for the Town? I think the only way I see out of this is leaving Sheep up undisturbed.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 20:42:07 GMT
"I guess I could just roleblock Eaed like Red said, "
If we are RBing eaed then I would do that. This means you are free to hit sultan without worry of being blocked. The downside to this is that if you are tracked then sultan get's confirmed.
"Is there a situation where we roleblock Sultan, roleblock Sheep, Kill Eaed, leave Panthera alone (other than a possible watch), and have a good watcher claim for Tony for the Town? I think the only way I see out of this is leaving Sheep up undisturbed."
And what, Tony claims he was blocked again?
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Post by red13n on Aug 11, 2018 20:57:12 GMT
I dont like leaving eaed unblocked because it takes sn element of chaos out of our hands. He blocks dumey and all of a sudden one of our roleblocks is out of our hands.
Personally, i like accepting the extra two scans and blocking off both protections.
There is huge risk to us no matter what we do.
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 21:08:04 GMT
Then let's do that.
FD blocks Eaed FD kills Eaed Dumey blocks Sultan
Tony watches... Sheep? Panth?
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Post by fd on Aug 11, 2018 21:10:04 GMT
Actually if we're blocking both protection then Dumey should block Eaed after all. The only scenario where dumey's block is stopped is if Eaed targets him in which case they trade and we know who eaed targetted.
And then if Dumey is tracked it would not town confirm sultan and dumey is just as screwed as he would have been.
So I would edit that to.
Dumey blocks Eaed FD kills Eaed FD blocks Sultan
And Tony watches someone.
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Post by dumey on Aug 11, 2018 21:22:40 GMT
Tony watches Panthera I think is good. Will have to claim he watched Sheep. I really don't know if the right play is for him to claim roleblocked and have two roleblocks claimed, or just say no one visited Sheep. (because Sultan was blocked)
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