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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:09:20 GMT
Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 8:09:20 GMT
You are committed now but I'm not sure going after ben is the right play. He is by far the strongest of the 4 voices in the game. When in doubt, town is probably going to listen to the loudest voice. And that is unlikely to be you FD.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:17:46 GMT
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Post by fd on Aug 28, 2018 8:17:46 GMT
I have given credible enough reasons to suspect both Tange and Ben.
I have given slight reasoning for Zach as well but ultimately he is modkill confirmed and im not sure how to back away from that position. Maybe "chris just didn't want to end the game via modkill since zach was the final scum" but that's dubious.
I think the fact that ben voted to no kill really helps my case though.
Any advice on anything?
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:25:20 GMT
Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 8:25:20 GMT
FD constantly saying "I want to give this more thought" is going to be your undoing.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:27:14 GMT
Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 8:27:14 GMT
Advice is, the time to be wishy washy is over. You need conviction somewhere or you are just going to turn everyone against you. Looking like the person willing to lynch anyone just makes you look like scum.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:29:13 GMT
Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 8:29:13 GMT
The more you defer and let ben dominate conversation, the more town is going to want to listen to him. They wont give a shit that you are "confirmed" town because people like to follow. No one is going to follow you when you arent trying to lead them anywhere. You could have pushed Ben to one of them prior but I think you may have just poisoned the waters in that regard.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 8:38:33 GMT
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Post by fd on Aug 28, 2018 8:38:33 GMT
Noted. I will have conviction when i post again tomorrow.
I was trying to convey someone who didn't expect to be alive today who was having trouble connecting the dots on why he survived, but now that i have a arrived at a course i will stick to it.
I really don't think i could have convinced Ben to vote zach at any point though and it will be difficult to convince Tange to vote anyone else but zach. :/
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 14:30:52 GMT
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Post by Leo mobile on Aug 28, 2018 14:30:52 GMT
If Zach was truly "modkill confirmed" he would have been modkilled. The fact that he wasn't just shows that everyone is way off on what actually confirms someone. Chris ain't no scrub host, clearly whatever he posted was deemed kosher and not alignment indicative.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 15:31:55 GMT
Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2018 15:31:55 GMT
This is the community that said Sultan was confirmed as town for posting after deadline but he was scum.
People read way too much into every little thing and it has, just very recently, been completely wrong to do so.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 15:52:31 GMT
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Post by drdre on Aug 28, 2018 15:52:31 GMT
Yeah dude, Zach was by far your easiest lynch, and now three times today you’ve said he’s confirmed Town.
You’re in a bad spot.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 16:05:38 GMT
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Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 16:05:38 GMT
Noted. I will have conviction when i post again tomorrow. I was trying to convey someone who didn't expect to be alive today who was having trouble connecting the dots on why he survived, but now that i have a arrived at a course i will stick to it. I really don't think i could have convinced Ben to vote zach at any point though and it will be difficult to convince Tange to vote anyone else but zach. :/ You didn't have to convince him zach was scum so much as convince him you were town. Scum trying to wifom you into a lynch candidate is easily explainable, all you had to do was tell him he was playing into scums hands. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who he lynches as long as its not you.
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Leo
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
Post by Leo on Aug 28, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
We don't have the votes to win here. Tange wants Zach, Zach wants Tange, Ben wants FD. No lynch feels more likely than Ben voting not FD. How WIFOM-Y would killing Ben be?
If Zach is scum, killing Tange just wins him the game. He and Ben easily lynch FD.
If Tange is scum, neither Ben or FD wants to lynch Zach, but killing Zach means he and Ben can lynch FD.
If Ben is scum, killing FD means he and Tange can just lynch Zach, or he and Zach can lynch Tange. Doesn't really scan since Ben can mislynch literally anyone today if he was scum.
If FD is scum, killing Ben means he can play kingmaker with Zach and Tange who are currently in his court. Killing anyone else means Ben will lynch him.
Needing three votes is really difficult. Ben has good intuition and won't change his mind because of logic. Logically, when he says there's no point in leaving confirmed FD alive when no one would suspect him is wrong because -it made Ben super suspect him-. I guess it all depends how paranoid Tange and/or Zach would be of FD if Ben dies.
The argument would be one of them is getting lynched for sure unless they go full WIFOM paranoia, or maybe are just counting on FD to fuck up. They both think Zach is town, but Ben is much more vehement than FD. The longer this goes the more solidified people seem to be getting in their thinking. To Zach, it's Tange. To Tange, it's Zach. Neither seems super likely to have a change of heart. I'd probably just kill Ben and yolo, myself. Tange and Zach seem to have really accepted that scum lawyer doesn't exist. They're posting like people who have accepted the loss already. Maybe no kill is safer, this stalemate might just go on forever.
But yeah, agree with Red. You've got a shield, that shield is being a lawyer who mother fucking killed Leo, scum genius (not really). You can throw your weight around now that you don't need a reason to not be killed. This is the end game, now. Make a wall where you have an epiphany about Zach. Make the argument that he's not actually confirmed and we're all going to lose like when Sultan was scum and posted after the deadline, if you were around for that experience. Go after Tange for game reasons.
It doesn't have to be Godfather Janitor, which is a perfectly cromulent role and I don't know why people won't accept it. It could be a framer! A modifier that makes a scum scan innocent or a town scan guilty. Who knows, but you've got p r o c e s s o f e l i m i n a t i o n.
Ben is completely right, but he lacks evidence and persuasive arguments. He even figured out the Panthera thing. But even he doesn't believe that scum would have a role that can only kill other scum. That would be truly...absurd.
And roles where scum can control the lynch are truly banned.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 16:38:47 GMT
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Post by fd on Aug 28, 2018 16:38:47 GMT
Im not sure i could realistically have a 'change of heart' regarding zach at this point.
What about just coasting and voting zach with 1 second left if Tange still hasn't moved his vote? It beats NL 2 to 1 :/
I understand that tange is correctly not buying into the modkill meta, but he isn't even remotely considering any other alternatives.
I'm never that stubborn as town because i recognize that my information is limited and i dont know everything.
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Leo
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 17:38:53 GMT
Post by Leo on Aug 28, 2018 17:38:53 GMT
That would be an extremely embarrassing way for town to lose, but probably about par for the non-stop humiliating town losses of the past several months. I think they'll insist on hammering no lynch though.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 17:49:47 GMT
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Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 17:49:47 GMT
Yeah i think its hard to stop the no lynch here.
What i would keep in mind, now is true endgame. Its time to have fire and conviction. If you are arguing ben is town and yet hes trying to lynch you, you should be upset. In your town eyes, hes attempting to throw the game.
Town is ultimately going to follow the loudest voice, so now is not the time to be timid.
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Day 9
Aug 28, 2018 17:50:39 GMT
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Post by red13n on Aug 28, 2018 17:50:39 GMT
Also yeah if town is dumb enough 1 second hammer. I dont think they'll let you though.
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