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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2018 3:40:10 GMT
You can critique, of course. Your input is welcome when in appropriate channels and said in a good way.
The detective thing I am very open to. That was something where I didn't think of the implications of 2 vs 3. I wanted you to have more knowledge but wasn't sure if 3 made the actual knowledge of the player too weak.
Bombproof will always be a no. Too asshole of a role tbh.
Doctor does not protect you from EBG, if it means anything to you. I don't like roles that negate town's good decisions when the opposite is very bad for them (vig in this case can so often harm town, and it would have if not for luck here keep in mind) so I dislike doctor for scum for that reason. Same thing with unblockable actions, I tend to dislike not rewarding town when it is correct because town is so often not.
I gave town a lot of roles that could go very badly for them if they chose poorly. Bus driver can just mess up everything forever, mason recruiter can kill itself. Vig can shoot town. Jailkeeper can block its own power.
I would say the one thing I would do in perfect hindsight is give your Jack another ability, because living 4 nights as scum is a show of skill and should generally be rewarded.
Buuut
I gave you guys a lawyer. You have to keep in mind how bullshit that was of me. Like, really. Lawyer, dude.
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Post by drdre on Aug 17, 2018 3:40:38 GMT
Like I said, if it gets to 1 v 6, while i’m obviously dead so I get less say than the guy still alive, we should forfeit—that win would be 100% based on banned role meta. It’s the sportsman thing to do.
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2018 3:42:27 GMT
I told people not to meta, and the role where I gave it to you is not banned - you could not save scum with it. Tony honestly I don't know why you insist on trying to ruin the host's game. Like, do you have no consideration for the effort I put into this? To end it with 'hurr I guess Chris is an idiot, concede.'
Like... the role as I used it isn't banned. If they can't see past role meta they deserve to lose.
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Post by drdre on Aug 17, 2018 3:45:16 GMT
Hindsight is 20/20, I probably should have resisted Scare noticing my soft counter, but there’s a benefit to this.
Re-reading our Day 1 discussion topic, we were actually super nice to Zam when he flipped out, and it’s better to pull off the bandaid now and have it known he can’t hang than in a game where he flips and reveals the entire team or something.
Zam if you’re reading this, it’s not an insult my dude. Take it from a guy who has FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT on people actually being nasty: The pressure of this game is not for you.
Or maybe it is.
But you need some time to grow.
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Post by drdre on Aug 17, 2018 3:47:44 GMT
I told people not to meta, and the role where I gave it to you is not banned - you could not save scum with it. Tony honestly I don't know why you insist on trying to ruin the host's game. Like, do you have no consideration for the effort I put into this? To end it with 'hurr I guess Chris is an idiot, concede.' Like... the role as I used it isn't banned. If they can't see past role meta they deserve to lose. It’s not about you, homie. I don’t mean this personally, and I know it’s your baby so you can’t help it, but I just don’t think any of the Town will be happy about it, and I completely understand why. That’s all. I’m perfectly fine having it play out, I’m just offering a suggestion, as I don’t think we earned a win.
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Post by red13n on Aug 17, 2018 4:02:22 GMT
Hindsight is 20/20, I probably should have resisted Scare noticing my soft counter, but there’s a benefit to this. Re-reading our Day 1 discussion topic, we were actually super nice to Zam when he flipped out, and it’s better to pull off the bandaid now and have it known he can’t hang than in a game where he flips and reveals the entire team or something. Zam if you’re reading this, it’s not an insult my dude. Take it from a guy who has FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT on people actually being nasty: The pressure of this game is not for you. Or maybe it is. But you need some time to grow. I was nice to zam til it was apparent he was off the deep end and doing more harm to everyone(Us, himself, town) than good. At that point there wasnt any reasoning with him anymore and any insults he took were both his own fault and warranted(You know, at a certain point, its no longer not nice to tell an idiot hes being an idiot).
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Post by fd on Aug 17, 2018 5:07:40 GMT
I agree with Chris regarding my role.
Yes on the face of it scum lawyer is an incredibly anti town role. Scum should not be able to control the lynch.
BUT thus far everyone has taken me at face value for my claim that (a) I would have died if i switched it to Town and (b) that i could have switched it from leo to panth if the roles were reversed.
Those were both lies and have a dramatic impact on the "guarantee" that i must be town.
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Post by Mobile Dumey on Aug 17, 2018 7:32:03 GMT
Game does have a ton of power, but I agree with Chris that if we didn't suicide the first two days, this could be a very different game. Zam gets the most blame for himself dying, but Tony did not have to counter claim and guarantee the kill. It may have screwed us later after scans, but we wouldn't have shot ourselves in the foot.
Using lawyer to suicide is the only real way to use that role to it's best effect, but we did it too early and on potentially our strongest role. We took chances with roles we did know like Mason Recruiter, Cop, and Elite Bodyguard. All of these could be played around but we made risky choices, and got burned twice by them.
Town could have really screwed itself more than it has, and we did screw ourselves more than we needed to. Don't complain about balance when we played bad.
There was potential of D1 Mislynch, N1 Mason suicide, N1 Vig, N1 kill, D2 Mislynch, N2 Detective kill, N2 kill. With only one and a half real protection in the game. If Zach didn't Vig a stupid target and Panthera played the way you'd expect Mason to play, we could have steamrolled even with Zam suicide.
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Post by drdre on Aug 17, 2018 8:26:30 GMT
I said I should have resisted Scare drawing my softclaim into a full one, but in hindsight with all this Town power, I was pretty fucked when my role was claimed, because there was really no safe fake power left.
In this setup, I wouldn’t have made it to Day 6 after softclaiming power without the counter.
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Post by drdre on Aug 17, 2018 8:29:45 GMT
As for the Lawyer, it could have just been claimed at a certain point, and then used to confirm after one of us got caught.
I’m really surprised nobody wonders why the Lawyer lawyered out of nowhere off the guy who logically based on Town’s info at the time, HAD to be scum roleblocker.
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